karohemd: by LJ user gothindulgence (anubis)
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It's f***ing Ratzinger.

Date: 19/4/05 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essbee80.livejournal.com
What makes you say that? I'm trying to find out information on him but all I can see is he's a scientist

Date: 19/4/05 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
He's more hardline on "traditional values" than even JPII was, he used to be head of the inquisition (whatever it's called now) under JPII and he's far from having the open mindedness that's needed to tolerate/communicate with other faiths, something JPII at least outwardly tried.
They couldn't have elected a more conservative pope.

Date: 19/4/05 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skinny-cartman.livejournal.com
I believe he was known as the enforcer, and he does have a certain mafia type look to him

Date: 19/4/05 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essbee80.livejournal.com
So no gays and no condoms?

Date: 19/4/05 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
Nope. If he could, he'd burn them on the stake.

Date: 19/4/05 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essbee80.livejournal.com
Oh ffs. Ok i'm peeved off now. Thanks for the information

Date: 19/4/05 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
I currently can't find an English site about his various actions so just a few examples.
- He suspended a Catholic theologist who had dared to celebrate holy communion with protestants.
- In one of his works he basically praises the superiority of the Catholic/Christian faith above others.

Date: 19/4/05 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jholloway.livejournal.com
"He has been the driving force behind the Vatican's crackdowns on liberation theology, religious pluralism, challenges to traditional moral teachings on issues such as homosexuality, and dissent on such issues as women's ordination."

Mind you, that's about par for the course.

Stake barbecue?

Date: 20/4/05 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] westernind.livejournal.com
Nope, he wouldn't burn the gays, they need the fullest pastoral care. (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html)

He'd probably burn the condoms through.

Don't flame me please, at the stake or otherwise - I'm a very ex-Catholic.

Re: Stake barbecue?

Date: 20/4/05 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
As I said, if he could, he can't say, let alone write it, though. Hence the above.
"Fullest pastoral care". I don't know, that sounds dodgy to me.

No flame needed. :o)

Date: 19/4/05 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gbsteve.livejournal.com
And no Turks either.

Date: 19/4/05 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jholloway.livejournal.com
the inquisition (whatever it's called now)

The Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith.

Date: 19/4/05 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skinny-cartman.livejournal.com
Uh hu may I just echo that sentiment a little

Date: 19/4/05 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hesster56.livejournal.com
Didn't the Church just recently apologize for the whole Holocaust thing? I'm thrilled that they're being given a chance to make up for the silent consent of murdering 6 million people by giving the papacy to a guy WHO MIGHT HAVE FUCKING BEEN IN ON IT!!!

okay, he'd have been 12 during the opening salvos of the war, but that sure qualifies him for a Hitler Youth badge. Or not. This guy was actually a Nazi: "His studies were interrupted in 1943 by forced service in Adolf Hitler's army, but he returned to the seminary at the end of 1945. "

http://www.who2.com/josephratzinger.html

Date: 19/4/05 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undyingking.livejournal.com
He was a Hitler Youth member from 1941 onwards, although according to his biographer "not an enthusiastic one".

I am not a Catholic either, but I think I'm still entitled to be sickened and depressed.

The only apparent silver lining is that he's 78, so might not be in office for long...

Date: 19/4/05 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
Careful with your generalizations. Get your facts right before you shout "Nazi"!
Very few soldiers in the German army were members of the party. They were just that, soldiers, and most of them involuntarily. Also, many boys didn't have a choice but to join the Hitler Youth.

Date: 19/4/05 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toxicpixie.livejournal.com
Hahahha!

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie

Date: 19/4/05 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hesster56.livejournal.com
I thought the internet was made so I could shout nazi without fact checking.

Date: 20/4/05 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
This guy was actually a Nazi

You say this and promptly contradict yourself ("Forced service". As far as I'm aware, certainly in the latter days of the war pretty much every able bodied male of servicable age was inducted into the Wehrmacht, and membership of the Hitler Youth became compulsory in 1936.
To claim that a boy of 12 was complicit in the political machinations of a state which forced him into membership of its institutions is not so much stupid as it is unremitting bullshit.

Date: 19/4/05 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toxicpixie.livejournal.com
Succintly expressed.

Nathan, the Toxic Pixie

Date: 19/4/05 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenmeisterin.livejournal.com
So glad I'm not a Catholic.

Taking bets on what short-sighted backwards and hardline mistake he's going to make first. A pogrom against homosexuals? How about using the Catholic church's influence to pressure governments into outlawing contraception? Female priests - WHAT female preists?

I shows how out of touch some of these Cardinals and other high-ups are. They think what the church needs is to take several steps backwards in a world that is speeding forwards and evolving so fast it's a blur.

At least he's unlikely to be serving long.

Date: 19/4/05 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damianobf.livejournal.com
there is a profile of him now on the bbc site

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4445279.stm

Date: 19/4/05 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] susanofstohelit.livejournal.com
the thing that scares me was that he wrote a letter to american bishops saying that they should deny communion to politicians who are even mildly in favor of abortion rights.

a lot of his stances seem like things that are going to alienate "western" catholics and harm catholics from developing countries (condom use, birth control, etc.)

Date: 20/4/05 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astatine210.livejournal.com
So why not deny communion to politicians who support the death penalty, too?

Date: 20/4/05 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] susanofstohelit.livejournal.com
the church would either have to deny communion to everyone who supports abortion (or the death penalty) or no one. singling out politicians and punishing them strikes me as very wrong.

in an ideal world, I'd like to see complete separation of church and state. No religious authorities (of any kind) telling politicians what to do. I doubt it's going to happen, but I can wish.

to me, the death penalty and abortion are very different issues. abortion is a personal choice made by the individual(s) involved, where the death penalty is murder by the state.

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