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karohemdI was off sick today, slept well into the afternoon and watched the last disc of season 4 with intermittent visits to the loo :o( I hope I'll be fit tomorrow...
So we now know how the "Oceanic 6" got off the island and that they're not the only survivors, just the official ones, there are some shady ones who got back to civilsation by various means and some stayed on the island (wherever that might be now). Trying to make a tally:
Civilisation:
- Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate+Aaron, Hurley, Sayid, Sun
- Ben, transported to the Sahara after "moving the island"
- Desmond and the chopper pilot
The Island:
- Locke as leader of the Others (but dead later on in the far - Jack beard - future. WHY did he leave? He was the least person to see back.
The Others seem to be something along the lines of the guardians of the island, they certainly know their way around the stations and Ben used to be DHARMA
- Sawyer and the rest of the ones on the beach who didn't make it before the freighter blew up
Stuff and questions
-WTF did the lady from Oceanic look like Rousseau?I must have been delusional when I wrote this (and my dreams the last few nights seem to support this), it wasn't Furlan, it was Michelle Forbes (Ensign Ro from TNG and Admiral Cain from Razor)
- Widmore is either continuing Hanso's legacy or rather nicked everything from them. He seems to have a pretty good idea of the what the island is or what it can do.
ETA: I've done some reading and Widmore, Hanso and Paik (Sun's father's company) are all connected, with the second two being subsidiaries of the first.
- The island has been there for a long time (ref. wreck of the Black Rock) but now we know that it can shift through time, nothing is certain
- The Others: who are they and who sent them there? They aren't DHARMA but if Ben and his father were DHARMA, how did they persuade Ben to switch sides? And what about Richard who doesn't seem to age? They seem to know who/what the island is and were there before DHARMA. Despite this, they know everything about the stations, probably from the documentation and the videos. Moving the island has to be part of the latter because there's a specific DHARMA cold suit and it can only be done by causing a deliberate malfunction in Dharma equipment.
- Richard is the key figure of the Others.
- Jacob? Tells the Others what to do, is connected to the island and seems to be able to take various shapes according to whom he's talking to. He might be the "pilot" (see theory below).
- The smoke monster is probably of alien origin, too, a "defense system" for the island that the Others (or at least the leader of the Others) know how to control. It didn't attack Locke, possibly because it sense his "special role" whatever that might be (leader of the others, guardian of the island).
- Why do the Oceanic 6 plus Locke need to go back to the island? To protect it? They don't even know what it is. What happens if they don't? What makes Jack and Ben think they should? Etc.
The Future:
- Oceanic 6 + Locke's body go back to the Island to put stuff right, whatever that means
- We will find out what the island is: My theory, it's an alien space/time ship, there's no other explanation. This would also explain the power source for all the Dharma stations. Mittelos found out about it sometime in the 1950s, and sent the Others there (who do not age while on the island) but why remains a mystery. Due to some other event (possibly the ledger of the Black Rock which was owned by an earlier Hanso company), Hanso found out about the island later and set up Dharma to investigate the "unique properties of the island". Why the funding was scrapped in the late 80s remains a mystery, although the island still received supplies via air drop in the "present". It could well be that time stands still on the island. At least it works in mysterious ways (the body of the freighter's doctor washes ashore before he's actually killed, for example) which might also explain why babies can't be born on the island.
- What will hopefully also be revealed is if there is any reason why Flight 815 crashed (other than the basic premise of the series, obviously), i.e. was it just coincidence (Desmond triggering the failsafe which made the island visible to the outside world and the electromagnetic discharge playing havoc with the plane's electronics); because the island wanted certain characters to be there (the Oceanic 6 plus Locke) for whatever reason; a cunning ruse by Widmore to possibly make the Others lose control of the island by adding adversaries and at the same time get rid of some unwanted people in his life; etc.
- Pivotal characters in my head: Locke, Richard Alpert, Ben and, funnily enough, Desmond. He's been some sort of wild card and he has connections to Widmore.
So we now know how the "Oceanic 6" got off the island and that they're not the only survivors, just the official ones, there are some shady ones who got back to civilsation by various means and some stayed on the island (wherever that might be now). Trying to make a tally:
Civilisation:
- Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate+Aaron, Hurley, Sayid, Sun
- Ben, transported to the Sahara after "moving the island"
- Desmond and the chopper pilot
The Island:
- Locke as leader of the Others (but dead later on in the far - Jack beard - future. WHY did he leave? He was the least person to see back.
The Others seem to be something along the lines of the guardians of the island, they certainly know their way around the stations and Ben used to be DHARMA
- Sawyer and the rest of the ones on the beach who didn't make it before the freighter blew up
Stuff and questions
-
- Widmore is either continuing Hanso's legacy or rather nicked everything from them. He seems to have a pretty good idea of the what the island is or what it can do.
ETA: I've done some reading and Widmore, Hanso and Paik (Sun's father's company) are all connected, with the second two being subsidiaries of the first.
- The island has been there for a long time (ref. wreck of the Black Rock) but now we know that it can shift through time, nothing is certain
- The Others: who are they and who sent them there? They aren't DHARMA but if Ben and his father were DHARMA, how did they persuade Ben to switch sides? And what about Richard who doesn't seem to age? They seem to know who/what the island is and were there before DHARMA. Despite this, they know everything about the stations, probably from the documentation and the videos. Moving the island has to be part of the latter because there's a specific DHARMA cold suit and it can only be done by causing a deliberate malfunction in Dharma equipment.
- Richard is the key figure of the Others.
- Jacob? Tells the Others what to do, is connected to the island and seems to be able to take various shapes according to whom he's talking to. He might be the "pilot" (see theory below).
- The smoke monster is probably of alien origin, too, a "defense system" for the island that the Others (or at least the leader of the Others) know how to control. It didn't attack Locke, possibly because it sense his "special role" whatever that might be (leader of the others, guardian of the island).
- Why do the Oceanic 6 plus Locke need to go back to the island? To protect it? They don't even know what it is. What happens if they don't? What makes Jack and Ben think they should? Etc.
The Future:
- Oceanic 6 + Locke's body go back to the Island to put stuff right, whatever that means
- We will find out what the island is: My theory, it's an alien space/time ship, there's no other explanation. This would also explain the power source for all the Dharma stations. Mittelos found out about it sometime in the 1950s, and sent the Others there (who do not age while on the island) but why remains a mystery. Due to some other event (possibly the ledger of the Black Rock which was owned by an earlier Hanso company), Hanso found out about the island later and set up Dharma to investigate the "unique properties of the island". Why the funding was scrapped in the late 80s remains a mystery, although the island still received supplies via air drop in the "present". It could well be that time stands still on the island. At least it works in mysterious ways (the body of the freighter's doctor washes ashore before he's actually killed, for example) which might also explain why babies can't be born on the island.
- What will hopefully also be revealed is if there is any reason why Flight 815 crashed (other than the basic premise of the series, obviously), i.e. was it just coincidence (Desmond triggering the failsafe which made the island visible to the outside world and the electromagnetic discharge playing havoc with the plane's electronics); because the island wanted certain characters to be there (the Oceanic 6 plus Locke) for whatever reason; a cunning ruse by Widmore to possibly make the Others lose control of the island by adding adversaries and at the same time get rid of some unwanted people in his life; etc.
- Pivotal characters in my head: Locke, Richard Alpert, Ben and, funnily enough, Desmond. He's been some sort of wild card and he has connections to Widmore.
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Date: 18/11/08 11:58 pm (UTC)Since there is a time shift, did the food drop really come from now?
Desmond is the REALLY weird one - but there's a whole lot of speaking dead. Anyone else wonder what might happen if they ALL rise?
My original theory was it was "Forbidden Planet"
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Date: 19/11/08 11:57 am (UTC)Hm, has a "use by" date ever been mentioned. If it's from the 80s, most of it would have expired, although the tins and dry stuff would be good to eat. Could well be that Dharma didn't both with dates.
Desmond might be the key to all of this, actually. He's had connections to Widmore before the whole thing started and Widmore is indirectly the reason why he ended up on the island. Not to mention that he's going out with Widmore's daughter.
I like the Forbidden Planet theory.
My theories
Date: 19/11/08 11:32 am (UTC)2. As for what the island is... my guess from the end of season 4 plus a couple other things in there (the big Greek style statue feet for example) is that the island is whats left of Atlantis. Far fetched, maybe, but it fits for me.
Re: My theories
Date: 19/11/08 11:40 am (UTC)2. Hmmm. Aliens or Atlantis. Both seem equally valid at this point. How about a bet? ;o)
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Date: 19/11/08 12:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 19/11/08 12:42 pm (UTC)Women *conceiving* on the island will die, which was the reason Ben hired Juliette. She was supposed to find out why. She couldn't find the reason but found out the patterns so she told Sun to leave as she'd die.
The dangers of over analysis!
Date: 19/11/08 01:35 pm (UTC)Nathan, the Toxic Pixie
Re: The dangers of over analysis!
Date: 19/11/08 01:44 pm (UTC)