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In your understanding (not the dictionary one), does "seafood" include fish (from the sea) or not?

Date: 27/3/07 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
absolutely. it is food from the sea - although I usually exclude vegetable matter from that

Date: 27/3/07 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
Would the German Meeresfrüchte include fish for you? Definitely not for me, it's just prawns, crabs, squid etc.
I've always handled the two as meaning the same but I seem to have been wrong. Obviously, if you take the strict meaning of the words, it means "everything from the sea you can eat" and that would include seaweed etc.

Date: 27/3/07 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
No - that's fruit de la Mer

Date: 28/3/07 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
but that's French. ;oÞ

Date: 28/3/07 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
but used in English as well

Date: 27/3/07 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claire-smith.livejournal.com
No.

It is my personal understanding that fish = fish, and seafood = everything else.

Date: 27/3/07 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diasporal-waves.livejournal.com
I include fish in the term seafood as it does indeed come "from the sea".

Date: 27/3/07 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sea-cucumber.livejournal.com
I think of it as all stuff that comes from the sea except for fish... how strange!

Date: 27/3/07 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenmeisterin.livejournal.com
I think of it as all the animal matter from the sea.

Date: 27/3/07 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmoodie.livejournal.com
This is all very fascinating.

I've certainly always taken seafood to mean mussels, oysters, squid, octopi etc - all the non-fish critters that live in the sea. But I couldn't tell you why.

What's all the more fscinating is that this all stemmed from a discussion about me feeding stupid people to lions! LOL

Date: 27/3/07 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcontheroad.livejournal.com
WOW! Look at all the comments! I'm with Moooodie -- it's fun that this all started with a discussion of feeding people to the lions.

As mentioned in that entry, I think of seafood as being food from the sea, which includes fish. OTOH, I wouldn't include vegetable matter in that, so kelp and seaweed wouldn't be seafood.

I think grog and rum should be classified as seafood, as one MUST have some when one is at sea.

Date: 27/3/07 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
No, I'd usually consider "fish" and "seafood" to be two separate categories.

Date: 27/3/07 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davedevil.livejournal.com
genrally it consists of prawns, shrimps, squid, mussels that sort of thing. Fish is normally seperate.

Date: 27/3/07 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] emperor
Yes, unless it's as opposed to fish, IYSWIM.

So, if a menu has a fish section and a seafood section then no. But something that just said "seafood soup", for example, I'd expect to have fish in.

Date: 27/3/07 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zenmeisterin.livejournal.com
Mmm same. That's the assumption I'd make.

Date: 27/3/07 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
To me fish would be classified as seafood; but in my experience this opinion seems to differ from most restaurants who classify it as everything in the ocean except fish.

Date: 27/3/07 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanneko.livejournal.com
I would, as it's an easy class of "food I just don't like" :)

Date: 27/3/07 11:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 27/3/07 03:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 27/3/07 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rirekon.livejournal.com
Yes.

Though I can see the "fish isn't meat" level of argument for it being the other way around.

Date: 27/3/07 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squirmelia.livejournal.com
I have always assumed that seafood includes fish. Being a vegetarian, it tends to concern me more as to whether seaweed counts as seafood, but I usually conclude that it does. Not that it would convince me to go to a seafood restaurant though! I wonder if any vegetarian seafood restaurants exist?

Date: 27/3/07 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djonma.livejournal.com
Hmmm.
Some part of me wants fish to be seperate. Yet another part of me wants it to be part of seafood.
This may be due to having 1 northern and 1 southern parent.

Date: 27/3/07 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mobbsy.livejournal.com
Interesting - I'd expect something calling itself a Seafood Restaurant would serve both fish and shellfish, and wouldn't be surprised to find fish in a "seafood paella", however I'd equally not be surprised if people used the term "fish and seafood".

I think the category of "seafood" probably does include fish most of the time, but not all.

Date: 27/3/07 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undyingking.livejournal.com
most of the time, but not all

Mm, I agree with this. Maybe it's a term that's in the process of evolving from one meaning to the other.

Date: 27/3/07 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nannyo.livejournal.com
for me, definitely yes. I would expect some fish in a seafood salad.
N.

Date: 27/3/07 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] professoryaffle.livejournal.com
seafood does not include fish probably mostly because a not insignificant proportion of the fish we eat isn't necessarily from the sea (salmon for instance) there are crustaceans which are fresh water but fair fewer of them

That being said if I was checking someone's dietary preferences and they said they didn't eat seafood I would probably check if they meant fish aswell

Date: 27/3/07 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathboy.livejournal.com
to me, yes.

Date: 27/3/07 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrisvenus
I'd probably judge on context more than anything. Luckily though I'm not a fan of fish, shrimps or anything that comes under the fish/seafood banner so I don't have to worry about it too much.

Date: 27/3/07 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyrdness.livejournal.com
I've always considered fish to be part of seafood.

Date: 27/3/07 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.com
Usually, yes.

Date: 27/3/07 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-malk.livejournal.com
It would depend on context for my money, and could either include or exclude fish.
I wonder if the distinction is anything to do with the kosher rules on aquatic comestibles, that insist on that water-dwellers have both fins and scales before they are considered edible.

Date: 27/3/07 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puddingcat.livejournal.com
Yes, for me. Seafood = animal matter from the sea. Crab, prawns, mussels etc are shellfish, which is a subcategory of seafood.

I tend not to think of seaweed as seafood as it's plant matter, and is usually just deep fried cabbage...

Date: 27/3/07 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquipedality.livejournal.com
Yes. I don't think I'd be at all surprised to find fish in, say, a seafood platter, for example.

Date: 27/3/07 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
Sort of both. I would call fish seafood, and I wouldn't be surprised to see pieces of fish in a collection of stuff that is labelled seafood, but if something says seafood on it, I expect that it will have things that came from the sea at least some of which are invertebrates.

Date: 27/3/07 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damianobf.livejournal.com
I would add fish to seafood as well.

Date: 27/3/07 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jupiter-jones.livejournal.com
ich hätte, ohne nachzudenken, den begriff "seafood" auch dem deutschen "meeresfrüchte" gleichgesetzt. demnach alles an krabben, muscheln, tintenfische, was da kreucht und fleucht. keine (normalen) fische und keine pflanzen. also offensichtlich alles aus dem wasser, das ich nicht mag ;-) (mit der einschränkung, dass ich noch nicht oft algen gegessen habe, darüber also noch keine wirklich meinung habe)

Date: 27/3/07 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-lady-lily.livejournal.com
To my mind, yes.

Date: 27/3/07 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purpleheather.livejournal.com
I'd expect a seafood something to at least possibly include fish. I'm not going to be eating it, so the distinction isn't too important to me!

Date: 27/3/07 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmh.livejournal.com
Yes!

(It doesn't include jumbo sausages, however. :o)

Date: 27/3/07 11:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 28/3/07 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akcipitrokulo.livejournal.com
That question really confused me! Cathy 'fused thinking "of course it does, why would there be a question?" I take it fromt he responses that it sometimes isn't, which makes me even more confused.

Date: 28/3/07 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cabd.livejournal.com
You've kicked open a wasps nest here!

Seafood includes fish. Anyone who says otherwise is a hobbit sucking Welshman.

The term 'fruits de mer' or whatever it is the French say, can I think correctly be applied to edible marine invertebrates.

But ultimately these definitions are stupid, and just contribute to greater confusion. People will go off mussels 'cos of one bad experience then insist that they don't eat shellfish, despite the fact that in biological and cullinary terms they're writing off a huge variety of foods. I blame the fact that these thigns all get lumped together under convenient (but incorrect) headings.

Date: 28/3/07 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahloo.livejournal.com
Yes, of course! *confused*

Date: 28/3/07 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
First I thought it's just me as a non-native speaker but there are several English speakers who do not include fish.

Date: 28/3/07 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
Absolutley, although I think because fish is more common to have on its own, when people go somewhere for seafood, I think they tend to have something more 'exotic' so the association is certainly there.

Date: 28/3/07 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dj-steve-rbn.livejournal.com
My understanding is as per this (which I stole from Wikipedia)

Seafood is any sea animal or seaweed that is served as food or is suitable for eating. This usually includes seawater animals, such as fish and shellfish (including molluscs and crustaceans). By extension, in North America although not generally in the United Kingdom, the term seafood is also applied to similar animals from fresh water and all edible aquatic animals are collectively referred to as seafood.

Edible seaweeds are rarely considered seafood, even though they come from seawater and are widely eaten around the world. See the category of sea vegetables.

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