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22 Sep 2008 07:12 pm
karohemd: by LJ user gothindulgence (Fear)
[personal profile] karohemd
"Mr de Menezes was killed instantly. He could hardly have had an opportunity to appreciate was happening."

ETA: Yes, I know that "to appreciate" has several meanings but the one intended here is not one I immediately think of.

Date: 22/9/08 06:17 pm (UTC)
chrisvenus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chrisvenus
Surely that is relevant. The whole point is they were shooting him before he could set off a bomb. If he was aware of what was happening he would have blown everybody up (potentially)... It does seem to be a little out of context there but I suspect that is edited quotes rather than continuous quoting...

Date: 22/9/08 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
My issue is more the wording than the content of the quote. I probably wouldn't use "to appreciate" in this way, although it's one of its meanings but it goes more commonly with something positive.

Date: 22/9/08 06:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 22/9/08 06:35 pm (UTC)
chrisvenus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chrisvenus
Yeah, I see what you mean. In the formal kind of way he is talking though it feels right to me. I dunno though. :)

Date: 22/9/08 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davegodfrey.livejournal.com
While appreciate is (mostly) associated with positive feelings it isn't always. One can "fail to appreciate the seriousness of a situation" for example. When speaking formally it does make sense.

In a legal environment...

Date: 22/9/08 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] will-sample.livejournal.com
...it is the standard contextual meaning for 'appreciate'; mind, it's not the most typical connotation for common daily usage for most people.

Think of it this way; a judge asks defendants if they appreciate what they stand accused of having done; juries are asked to appreciate what the law states in deliberation of potential verdicts; thus, a police inquiry will likely use appreciate in such a fashion.

Date: 23/9/08 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fractalgeek.livejournal.com
So english isn't your first language, then someone yells (or not) "Stop, armed police", and you aren't doing anything bad... what would your reaction be?

I'm sure Terry Pratchet and Neil Gainman or perhaps Douglas Adams, were he still missing deadlines, could write an exquisite line about how the tissue in his skull appreciated the first dumm-dumm rounds, but after 4 or 5, the whole thing was becoming a little boring.

Date: 23/9/08 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whiskeylover.livejournal.com
...which goes nicely into the question of "Is there a language of the law", which I was lecturing on not so long ago... ;)

Perfectly normal use of the wort 'appreciate' in the given situation.

Date: 23/9/08 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karohemd.livejournal.com
*nods* It was simply my gut reaction, thinking "No, I wouldn't appreciate being shot in the head, either."

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